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littlegirlbunny
post Jan 23 2012, 12:18 PM
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One of the local trail building groups round here has been rather unimpressed by the amount of people turning up for build days and decided it was 'shameful' that more people weren't making an effort.

In some ways I really feel for them, I do. It must be soooo hard to get people to pick up a spade instead of their bike with their limited free time.

However, I also know that there are a load of other ways contribute and just thought it would be interesting to hear some positivity on this rather than just 'no-one EVER does ANYTHING'

So, what you up to for the greater MTB good? I don't do as much as I would like, atm I'm trying to get some easy paced rides off the ground in Malvern which is going reasonably well. Hoping to build relatively close to home once hunting season stops too. smile.gif

Also, what can be done to bring more people to dig days? Any good ideas?
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Freester
post Jan 23 2012, 12:26 PM
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QUOTE(littlegirlbunny @ Jan 23 2012, 12:18 PM) *
what can be done to bring more people to dig days? Any good ideas?


Free beer. Simples.


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Doug
post Jan 23 2012, 02:28 PM
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Free skills sessions for anyone that can put up with me for a few hours.

There are loads of trails near you Jo, why the need to build more?


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littlegirlbunny
post Jan 23 2012, 03:02 PM
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QUOTE(Freester @ Jan 23 2012, 12:26 PM) *
Free beer. Simples.


Yup, that would work laugh.gif


QUOTE(Doug @ Jan 23 2012, 02:28 PM) *
Free skills sessions for anyone that can put up with me for a few hours.

There are loads of trails near you Jo, why the need to build more?


The original issue was maintenance of high use trails at the FoD and the need for more trails to support the uplift down there I think.

There are a lot of XC trails by me, but the hills are sooooo protected by the conservators trying to even put in a wee jump could cause HUGE issues. There is always talk of banning bikes altogether (ha! they can try!). Malvern just can't support more MTBK'rs IMHO, and definitely not DH trails other than those sneaky hidden ones that exist. There is a wee place in Ledbury that was a brilliant play-place with fun short DH runs and a few jumpityjumps, but got felled, so the locals have been rebuilding and doing a great job.....more spades needed though!

I do love the FoD and riding there, but building closer to home works better on a sustainability point of view....less miles driving = more money for bikes and more time on the trails!
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Freester
post Jan 23 2012, 03:57 PM
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And for the serious answerÖ

I guess I donít really ride man made trails locally. Yes I make the odd trip to the Wales trail centres but I donít get involved in trail maintenance locally in a voluntary capacity. Not sure how many local trails like that there are. Maybe UK Bike Park but I've never ridden there.

What do I try to give back to MTB? I try and ride considerately. Being polite and slowing down / greeting walkers / horse riders as I meet them or pass them. I avoid certain local trails in the winter as churning up the mud does them no good. The few cheeky trails I do ride I ride with discretion and would certainly stop riding if asked to by the owner.

When I ride with newcomers to the sport I choose a route considering their ability. I try and make them feel welcome and not overawed by more experienced riders and give them some advice on pre ride pre, technique etc etc. Always waiting for them at the end of a climb or descent.

So maybe I donít put that much back in. I try and at least ensure my behaviour doesnít damage the sportís reputation.


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Rod
post Jan 23 2012, 04:43 PM
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In all honesty I contribute nowt back. Although... 'Degla are having a trail fairy day in a few weeks and depending on what my back's feeling like and what's required 4 of us are planning to go up to assist.

I feel that to assist in getting peeps to assist in the trail centres a free carpark pass for a day might be a little incentive to offer. It would cost the centres very little, £2-£5 and they'd get labour cost @ about £2.00 an hour. I'd look to contribute 2 - 4 hours at each trail day dependng on what I have on in my life, which is about what I'd typically spend there on a riding day. (of course, I'd only be out there on a nice day though... I don't do riding in the rain and I'm certain that trail fairies are allergic to the stuff!... and I'm a big fairy!!!!)

I'd like to take the time just to litter-pick some of the time because people chucking their cast-offs on the trail side really gets my goat and if I had a nice bright bib on saying "Bouncer" I'd escort the perps. to the gate and chuck the tossers the hell out!!!!

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martyn748
post Jan 23 2012, 04:52 PM
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Interesting question.
The trails round here are so differant to the rest of the country. There is very small mountaining population, I cant guess why think.gif lol so very few decent trails.

My local group/club have been working very closely with the local forestry commision and have the backing and suport from them. The forest if virgin teritory which is criss crossed with old MX enduro trails so 100's of miles of tracks to clear and use if we so want.

For a club which has around 200 signed up member 100 paid up they regually get 20+ once a month for trail repairs and building. Free bacon rolls and coffe at the end.
As we the trails are mainly unknown by the public it is like our own little forest.

The problem your finding jo is that the percentage of people who know and ride your trails is vastly higher than the locals who want to look after them.

Hate to say it but it's going to be an up hill struggal.
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lucien
post Jan 23 2012, 10:06 PM
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QUOTE(martyn748 @ Jan 23 2012, 04:52 PM) *
Hate to say it but it's going to be an up hill struggal.


Up hill you say...... think.gif think.gif - that means coming down

To answer you LGB, tend to do a bit of digging here and there and a bit of maintenance and such like - difficult on the New Forest, as locals not that welcoming for bike riders - FC are a bit hamstrung by the whole NF/National Park/Verderers etc.
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SammyC
post Jan 24 2012, 12:00 PM
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I bring ME to biking! What more could you want?! think.gif
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post Jan 24 2012, 02:05 PM
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Quite shamefully I don't really do anything other than pick up litter when I'm at western park or woburn. When I have to drive 45 mins-an hour each way to half decent trails I'd rather be riding my bike than picking up a shovel unsure.gif

edit - I have got my name on the email list for volunteer digging at some local trails though, but am yet to hear from them. Hoping to help out with building some jumps etc there smile.gif
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Dolbe
post Jan 24 2012, 04:31 PM
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Mainly I do trail maintenance, such as trimming branches away from trails, removing fallen branches. I have joined several trails that where in bad condition together for a decent loop around the hills behind me. I do not build anything that a novice can't roll over. So far no complaints and nothing removed for being unsafe. I have even encouraged others to build. So now there is a decent downhill section growing up there in them there hills stupidlyhappy.gif


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Gareth
post Jan 24 2012, 05:18 PM
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So, what you up to for the greater MTB good?

Erm, nothing. icon_redface.gif

Except run a forum some of you may know. wink.gif

Would like to help with digging and have helped some last summer at local freeride area in Western Park. It's a long way to go to most of the places I ride just to do some digging I would be better off sending them £50 than tanking up with Diesel. sneaky.gif


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Suggsey
post Jan 24 2012, 07:21 PM
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I too have to admit nothing except keeping some hidden trails open and marked in winter by riding them and knocking down the thorny brambles and nettles with my shins.
I think Gareth hits the nail on the head, if my riding patch was closer ie within riding distance I would be in a position to give up some valuable and limited riding time to go assist on a trail fairy day but as all the real riding is at least 35 miles away and further its just not practical, cost effective or time effective for me.
Like a lot of riders I dare say if a reasonable annual charge was levied to ride your local trails/trail centre alot of people would cough up if they knew the moneys were channelled back into trail maintanence or trail building. Trouble is the same as everything where money is concerned some would not pay leading to discontent from those that did and it is an un-enforceable idea.
Maybe next year if I am living elsewehere in the country and closer to some real trails with time on my hands being in retirement and all that I may become one of those blessed trail fairies think.gif
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Mick
post Jan 24 2012, 08:24 PM
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QUOTE(Suggsey @ Jan 24 2012, 07:21 PM) *
with time on my hands being in retirement think.gif


Don't count on having more time to ride when you're retired laugh.gif

Don't think that I give anything back unsure.gif apart from giving money to bike part retailers!


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Suggsey
post Jan 24 2012, 08:51 PM
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QUOTE(Mick @ Jan 24 2012, 10:24 PM) *
Don't count on having more time to ride when you're retired laugh.gif
You watch me mate duel.gif shoulder checks to see if wife is watching ph34r.gif
Don't think that I give anything back unsure.gif apart from giving money to bike part retailers!

Er and some blood and sweat too as well as keeping the NHS in business stretcher.gif laugh.gif
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lawmanmx
post Jan 24 2012, 09:08 PM
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i keep all my local routes clear of debris with my folding spade and folding saw that fit nicely into my backpak smile.gif ... every little helps (ive heard) Lol


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Dolbe
post Jan 25 2012, 12:13 AM
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QUOTE(lawmanmx @ Jan 24 2012, 09:08 PM) *
i keep all my local routes clear of debris with my folding spade and folding saw that fit nicely into my backpak smile.gif ... every little helps (ive heard) Lol

AAAH the trail pixie tools, I carry my folding saw and spade too agree.gif


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deadkenny
post Jan 26 2012, 07:04 PM
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After a fun argument on a FB group one thing that is clear is that there are lots of people who would like to and do dig jumps, wherever they like, and then get somewhat pissed off that they're frequently bulldozed, but they don't understand why.

Now there's a pile of attempting to educate as to the proper process, who to contact, and why you can't just dig without permission, but this is a hard message to get through and the opinion is more that society and officials are spoiling their fun and they are not interested in doing things properly.

What's needed is a way to get them involved and enthused about building, and not be turned off because dig days they think may be a bunch of stuffy old lycra guys who are more interested in XC trails and it's not for them.

How, I don't know.


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Mick
post Jan 26 2012, 08:35 PM
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QUOTE(lawmanmx @ Jan 24 2012, 09:08 PM) *
i keep all my local routes clear of debris with my folding spade and folding saw that fit nicely into my backpak smile.gif ... every little helps (ive heard) Lol


So where do I get a folding saw? unsure.gif


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Dolbe
post Jan 27 2012, 11:12 AM
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QUOTE(Mick @ Jan 26 2012, 08:35 PM) *
So where do I get a folding saw? unsure.gif

I picked mine up from Tesco


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